school/learning/etc

[Loki]

I agree. School has never really thought me anything. I've always done a lot of learning on my own and stayed a couple years ahead of what school was trying to teach me. If I am given a book to read for school and I'm already in the middle of a book, most likely a better one, I'll ignore school. That's why I've failed so many classes but I'm still a lot smarter than everyone I know here.

In all honesty, everything in life makes me pretty depressed except for one thing: the girl I'm currently into. Just thinking of her makes me smile. I know how completely un-unique this sounds, but every girl until now has mistreated me.

[Fluffy Cocaine]

That's why I've failed so many classes but I'm still a lot smarter than everyone I know here..

Caught myself. I was about to call you disgustingly egotistical until I figured that "here" meant where you live.

[Fluffy Cocaine]

I agree. School has never really thought me anything. I've always done a lot of learning on my own and stayed a couple years ahead of what school was trying to teach me. If I am given a book to read for school and I'm already in the middle of a book, most likely a better one, I'll ignore school. That's why I've failed so many classes but I'm still a lot smarter than everyone I know here.

Here's the problem I have with that.

A big part of intelligence, in my opinion, is seeing something that you don't enjoy and don't want to do, but knowing that you have to do it and thus doing it anyway. It's something that we all have to do at some point in our lives, most likely a multitude of times.
You can't just ignore school and get through life saying "well, I'm still way smarter than everyone else, I just failed a whole bunch of classes". The people hiring you and even the colleges you want to get into will look at how you performed in school to see whether or not you are willing to do the work they want to assign you. If they see that you're not doing the work in school, it's their best bet that you're not going to do the work for them, either.

But this is the wrong thread to discuss this.

[Nines~Tempest]

The only classes that teach me new crap is math and biology.  Math because it is MATH, and biology is what I wanted to take.

I know how to do what those guys on CSI do <3<3<3!

[Empirical Pussy]

Perhaps a thread on school/learning/etc is in order?

[Cesium]

Here's the problem I have with that.

A big part of intelligence, in my opinion, is seeing something that you don't enjoy and don't want to do, but knowing that you have to do it and thus doing it anyway. It's something that we all have to do at some point in our lives, most likely a multitude of times.
You can't just ignore school and get through life saying "well, I'm still way smarter than everyone else, I just failed a whole bunch of classes". The people hiring you and even the colleges you want to get into will look at how you performed in school to see whether or not you are willing to do the work they want to assign you. If they see that you're not doing the work in school, it's their best bet that you're not going to do the work for them, either.

But this is the wrong thread to discuss this.

You should just split the thread.

Well, yeah, I mean, colleges, businesses, etc. all want to see that you do more than learn what you want to learn. IMO, that's maturity, not intelligence, but anyway it's pretty hard to show outside of school, besides community service and such. For a job and such, if you have curiosity and initiative, it can rarely hurt, and if it does, it's probably not a place you want to work anyway.

[Fluffy Cocaine]

Well, yeah, I mean, colleges, businesses, etc. all want to see that you do more than learn what you want to learn. IMO, that's maturity, not intelligence, but anyway it's pretty hard to show outside of school, besides community service and such. For a job and such, if you have curiosity and initiative, it can rarely hurt, and if it does, it's probably not a place you want to work anyway.

But I strongly believe that maturity is a key part of intelligence. There's no point to being intelligent if you're not mature enough to apply your knowledge in a constructive manner.

[Fluffy Cocaine]

Title taken from Tina's fabulous idea.

[Cesium]

But I strongly believe that maturity is a key part of intelligence. There's no point to being intelligent if you're not mature enough to apply your knowledge in a constructive manner.

That doesn't mean they're the same, or even correlated. It's somewhat pedantic, but I just wanted to make the distinction, between maturity, intelligence, and knowledge (and maybe wisdom).

[Genevra]

What you're saying sounds like a half-ass plot for a chick flick :x Or just some stupid teenager thinking they're in love.
But, I guess you're right about the education system, if school never taught you about hormones, lol!

Of course the education system isn't perfect. It's very flawed and I think many people recognize that and there have been many conflicts about it. But, saying school hasn't taught you anything is an over-exaggeration.

You seem to be too dependant on the education system to do the work for you. If you're off chatting and not paying attention, then what the fuck are you going to learn? This isn't kindergarten where the teacher has to hold your hand through the way. Ever heard the saying "A teacher opens the door, but only you yourself can walk through." or something like that? I usually don't care for stupid sayings but it's true.

School just teaches you the basics and what you need to get a job and such. It's not supposed to teach you the meaning of life or anything.

I literally laughed when you said "I'm so smart even though I fail all my classes".

[Fluffy Cocaine]

That doesn't mean they're the same, or even correlated. It's somewhat pedantic, but I just wanted to make the distinction, between maturity, intelligence, and knowledge (and maybe wisdom).

Whether or not something is the same as another thing is irrelevant to the idea of it being a key component of the aforementioned other thing.

They don't necessarily have to correlate, either. I just believe that maturity is a very significant type of intelligence.

[GracefulDave]

I was just realizing, as I scrambled to finish the last papers for the end of the year, that of the seven or eight courses I took this year, everytime I have woken up and gone to class, every assigment I have done, every hour of studying for an exam I have under my belt, it was ALL for completion. I didn't see the work as learning, as skills I'll need for next year, I saw them as things I had to do to get a mark. Except in my first year philosophy class. I went to EVERY one of those classes, which I can't say for most of my other classes, I took notes, I was excited, and I actually LEARNED things. I am a better person for taking that class. It made me a bit sad, actually, that even my psych courses which I am supposed to be majoring in, where just a notch on the belt towards making money later. (A bit off topic now, but more relevant at the start of the thread.)

Also, I think the most important thing in life is knowledge/wisdom and I hope to be a wise person when I am older. Intelligence is a skill, but knowledge is something more. Something better. Something... good.

[Cesium]

Whether or not something is the same as another thing is irrelevant to the idea of it being a key component of the aforementioned other thing.

They don't necessarily have to correlate, either. I just believe that maturity is a very significant type of intelligence.

My point is, you can be intelligent without being mature. The people who graduate from MIT at 15 are probably not quite mature yet, although they probably have some degree. You can be mature or wise as well as ignorant, or lacking knowledge. Maturity can be seen as a type of intelligence, but it doesn't always come with intelligence.

[Nines~Tempest]

Intelligence:  The human logic and thought process that is VERY related to maturity in my opinion.  How well you can figure things out.
Knowledge:  A list of damned facts, which is what fewer things test for these days, which is good.

We all know what wisdom.

These three parts of learning are hardly related, but you guys are spewing intelligence like knowledge...

[GracefulDave]

My point is, you can be intelligent without being mature. The people who graduate from MIT at 15 are probably not quite mature yet, although they probably have some degree. You can be mature or wise as well as ignorant, or lacking knowledge. Maturity can be seen as a type of intelligence, but it doesn't always come with intelligence.

I agree completely.

Nines, I don't think they're as related as you think. They would be if maturity was the RIGHT way of acting. If you used your intelligence to understand what the right way to act is, then I think you'd be on to something. But I don't think there is a universally right way to act in a given situation. Or if there is, we can't KNOW what it is yet.

These three parts of learning are hardly related.

If all three parts make up learning then they are related.

Also, for arguments sake, take the savant who is brilliant at mathematics but requires 24 hour care so they can function in society. Are they by grace of their intelligence, mature? I think not...

[Nines~Tempest]

I agree completely.

Nines, I don't think they're as related as you think. They would be if maturity was the RIGHT way of acting. If you used your intelligence to understand what the right way to act is, then I think you'd be on to something. But I don't think there is a universally right way to act in a given situation. Or if there is, we can't KNOW what it is yet.

If all three parts make up learning then they are related.

Also, for arguments sake, take the savant who is brilliant at mathematics but requires 24 hour care so they can function in society. Are they by grace of their intelligence, mature? I think not...

I see what you mean in your first paragraph.  But what the hell is a savant?

[Loki]

I'm really sorry if anyone thought "here" meant this forum. I wouldn't compare myself to people I'd don't know that well yet.

Wisdom is learning from other peoples mistakes. I'm cool with that. But memorizing I am not cool with. It just seems like too much of a waste of time? I always figured why not just skip all memorizing and figure things out? I guess a good example would be memorizing all the math problems ever instead of learning to figure them out. That's how I've lived my life.
But that's a hyperbole. I use those a lot, incase haven't noticed.

[Nines~Tempest]

...  But that's a hyperbole. I use those a lot, incase YOU haven't noticed.

I kind of wish school was better at teaching grammar.  I just thought I'd divert the topic a bit toward not school in general, but how they teach.

I wish... wait I just said that.  ANYWAY, I also wish that history wasn't "memorize this crap."  History irritates me on that account...

[Loki]

ho noes, I forgot a word! Please don't kill me! I swear I'll never do it again!

You can do some of history without memorization, but for the most part, yeah, you're right.
The main problem is how schools teach.

[Nines~Tempest]

ho noes, I forgot a word! Please don't kill me! I swear I'll never do it again!

You can do some of history without memorization, but for the most part, yeah, you're right.
The main problem is how schools teach.

From what you've said, you make it sound like schools should be abolished <_< whereas I agree, again, with Freeze's point of view.  So, what do you propose that they change exactly?  Does your school do the 3-3-3-4 years of classes thing?  Mine doesn't, so we have a very nice school district... only when compared to other states.  We also aren't taught to a test, which gives teachers a LOT of flexibility.