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Re: The Bitching Topic
« Reply #3980 on: March 13, 2010, 02:47:40 PM »
Unless it makes dinner for you and does your homework, I don't see how it could be so radically different from any other media player to justify spending that much time and effort on it. :x
It's a crapload faster than any other media player, you can tweak the theme to make it look awesome, you can get the layout exactly how you want it, you can program various keyboard shortcuts to make doing things a lot easier and faster, can browse through the various add-ons and plugins and stuff and pick and fine-tune the ones that you want...

Once you've got it set up an organised (which I've never bothered doing), it's an absolutely fantastic program, and it's a shitload better than Winamp or iTunes or anything else I've seen to play music.

You're a Mac user, you wouldn't understand :|

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Re: The Bitching Topic
« Reply #3981 on: March 13, 2010, 03:04:57 PM »
Foobar basically just lets you customize everything, while running quickly and efficiently. Planning to set it up now that I have my new laptop.

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Re: The Bitching Topic
« Reply #3982 on: March 13, 2010, 03:13:37 PM »
As far as I can tell, the only thing you can do on Foobar that you can't on iTunes is customizing how it looks (and I suppose add-ins/plugins but I can't imagine what they'd add that's that useful and not already there)

So I'm basically with Freeze on this. But I've never used Foobar, so I guess my opinion doesn't really count.
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Re: The Bitching Topic
« Reply #3983 on: March 13, 2010, 03:52:04 PM »
Four or five years ago I wouldn't have thought of many things you could add to web browsers that would improve my online experience, but give me IE6 instead of FF3.5 and I'll cry.

You can't appreciate how nice the little extra customisable bits and keyboard shortcuts are until you've used them for a bit (or, in my case, spectate someone using them). Even things which are functionally useless like having it display the spectrogram for the song as well as the album art are really nice things to have.

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Re: The Bitching Topic
« Reply #3984 on: March 13, 2010, 05:22:28 PM »
But IE6 is fucking slow and ugly and irritating to use. :(

Keyboard shortcuts for what, exactly? Because if iTunes can do it, then a custom keyboard shortcut can be set for it. But I'm not sure what you'd do it for, except maybe a quicker way to change artists.

iTunes does show album art, unless you mean a larger version of it. Though I can't say I personally care about it.

The spectrogram would be a nice feature I suppose, though I only need to see the specs occasionally to verify bitrate, and I just use Audacity.

But yeah, again, I only have stuff like WMP and Winamp to compare it to.

Either way, I'm sure we've had this discussion before and it came down to an agree-to-disagree sort of thing. I have an actual question though. How much RAM does iTunes use up for you guys, approximately? Because people always complain about how much it uses, which is something I don't have a problem with at all. I'm wondering if it's because it just uses less RAM on a Mac, or because other people do a lot of other stuff that makes the bit of RAM iTunes uses actually significant.
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Re: The Bitching Topic
« Reply #3985 on: March 13, 2010, 06:02:00 PM »
But IE6 is fucking slow and ugly and irritating to use. :(
But nobody particularly cared about it that much at the time because there wasn't anything that superior to compare it to. That's my entire point. You can't miss features that you've never had.

The keyboard shortcuts that my friend has are mostly for quicker artist/album/genre navigation and searching.
You've missed the point with the spectrogram. It's not specifically useful, just quite a neat thing to have. In the same sense that last.fm isn't that useful, but I still like having the stats. And I knew iTunes displayed album art - they all do, I didn't mean that displaying album art itself was a new feature.

iTunes on a Mac runs massively smoother than iTunes on Windows does. Plus the decent alternatives aren't available for Macs, so there's not much else to use anyway.
Still doesn't change the fact that foobar2000 is to media players what Chrome is to web browsers. I don't find Firefox to be that slow, or that resource hoggy, but it still fails compared to Chrome. Winamp fucks about a bit when I'm doing CPU-intensive stuff, christ knows how badly iTunes would fare, but foobar keeps itself fairly smooth even when my laptop is dying otherwise. It's the only times I use it because I've still not bothered setting it up properly.

Foobar has some cool metadata stuff that I've not seen in other audio players too, such as listing the exact codec version as well as just bitrate for albums and stuff. Again, not necessarily massively useful, but nice to have displayed.

« Last Edit: March 13, 2010, 06:11:35 PM by Rosti LFC »

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Re: The Bitching Topic
« Reply #3986 on: March 13, 2010, 06:33:03 PM »
Oh, I know, that's why in my first post I admitted that my opinion is probably useless.

Oh, I misread that whole sentence.
But still... I dunno, I am interested in my Last.fm stats and I feel like it's interesting information to have, but not at all in a song's specs.
I don't know, I don't see the point in it displaying stuff that isn't actually useful. I have other programs that'll show me specs/codecs in a second if I ever need them. It'd be cool to have all the stuff that's occasionally used just displayed in the single program, but if it's stuff that's not useful but just there, then...

Do you have any idea what the actual numbers are? I'm just really curious.
« Last Edit: March 13, 2010, 06:39:03 PM by Tommayto »
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Re: The Bitching Topic
« Reply #3987 on: March 13, 2010, 07:01:59 PM »
foobar2000, playing 320kbps mp3 uses 2% of my CPU and 26MB of memory
Winamp, playing the same song, 5% and 71MB
iTunes uses 4% and 120MB, and the iTunesHelper uses up another 16MB

Starting up, foobar takes about one or two seconds, Winamp and iTunes both about five or six.

For responsiveness of the program while I'm using it, I'd go with foobar > Winamp > iTunes

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Re: The Bitching Topic
« Reply #3988 on: March 13, 2010, 09:01:15 PM »
Perhaps I don't see the value in something like Foobar because I use iTunes with Butler, which gives me a significant amount of power over the application and I almost never have to actually look at iTunes. I just control it indirectly.

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Re: The Bitching Topic
« Reply #3989 on: March 13, 2010, 10:31:20 PM »
9 was a fucking shitty movie and now I'm sad that I saw it instead of playing a videogame or something.

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Re: The Bitching Topic
« Reply #3990 on: March 13, 2010, 10:57:39 PM »
@Rosti, that's a pretty huge difference
It's somewhere like 4% / 50MB for me

@Freeze, I finally checked out Butler after seeing that post. Holy shit, this looks powerful.
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Re: The Bitching Topic
« Reply #3991 on: March 14, 2010, 02:31:19 AM »
9 was a fucking shitty movie and now I'm sad that I saw it instead of playing a videogame or something.
Yup.

Actually, it probably would've MADE a better video game than a movie.

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Re: The Bitching Topic
« Reply #3992 on: March 14, 2010, 02:39:52 AM »
Yup.

Actually, it probably would've MADE a better video game than a movie.
Probably.

As I keep saying, "It had less plot than Digimon."  That, and there was no explanation of anything ever.  It was like they made up the world canon as they went along.

Fucking... shitty... movie.  GOOD FIGHTING AND STUFF BUT THAT'S IT.

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Re: The Bitching Topic
« Reply #3993 on: March 14, 2010, 10:43:03 PM »
My hair is a mess today...
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Re: The Bitching Topic
« Reply #3994 on: March 15, 2010, 12:13:19 PM »
I hate class and work.  It interferes with my Pokemans. >:|


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Re: The Bitching Topic
« Reply #3995 on: March 15, 2010, 06:15:00 PM »
I hate class and work.  It interferes with my Pokemans. >:|
Same here, except replace Pokemon with No More Heroes 2 on bitter mode.

Ryuji just wont die. :(

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Re: The Bitching Topic
« Reply #3996 on: March 16, 2010, 07:31:43 PM »
Didn't get the TRIUMF fellowship, which sucks, but I didn't expect to anyway.

Sent off my Perimeter Institute application under ~priority express overnight shipping~ to arrive tomorrow morning, and I'm really paranoid something will go wrong. :( The fact that it's still showing up as not shipped isn't helping. Reaaally want to get in, but know my chances aren't that high, so bleh.
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Re: The Bitching Topic
« Reply #3997 on: March 16, 2010, 08:19:14 PM »
WHY IS UTORRENT MAC SO FUCKING DUMB

it's gone and changed all my file destinations, so it's unable to find any of them. and as far as i can tell, i have no way of manually pointing it in the right direction

FFS WHAT KIND OF A TORRENT PROGRAM DOES NOT HAVE THE CAPABILITIES OF CREATING TORRENTS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WHY DOES THIS PROGRAM EVEN EXIST
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Re: The Bitching Topic
« Reply #3998 on: March 16, 2010, 08:31:52 PM »
This is a bit of an old bitch, but I ordered Yotsuba&! volume 6 about six weeks ago. It being the middle of term back then, I ordered it to be delivered to college. It got dispatched on Friday (ie. the day before I left college for 5 weeks) and arrived today, which is a pain in the arse.


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Re: The Bitching Topic
« Reply #3999 on: March 16, 2010, 10:24:21 PM »
yessss
application was picked up, is in Richmond, and all set to arrive tomorrow morning
some stress relieved, haha
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